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Llama 2, 3 & 4: Synthetic Data, RLHF, Agents on the path to Open Source AGI

23 Jul 2024 31 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / evaluation

Now, the last thing I want to add is having bigger models enables us to collect better data, for instance, at LHF stage, because that's the model we use for the annotation.

“Now, the last thing I want to add is having bigger models enables us to collect better data, for instance, at LHF stage, because that's the model we use for the annotation.”
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03 / belief

I would say the diffusion people have actually started to swing back to pixel level and probably that will presage the language people also moving towards, you know, 1 million vocabulary and then, you know, whatever the natural limit is for character level.

“I would say the diffusion people have actually started to swing back to pixel level and probably that will presage the language people also moving towards, you know, 1 million vocabulary and then, you know, whatever the natural limit is for character level.”
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Shawn Wang
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04 / belief

If you think about the evolution of the models, I think up until Llama3, with Meta AI and some of these things, I'm like, it makes sense that they want to build their own models and they're multi-modal.

“If you think about the evolution of the models, I think up until Llama3, with Meta AI and some of these things, I'm like, it makes sense that they want to build their own models and they're multi-modal.”
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Alessio Fanelli
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06 / uncertainty

We still need to have, at the architecture level, some kind of variable inference length thing that lets you actually think in latent space, like you're talking about. I don't know if there's any papers that you're thinking about.

“We still need to have, at the architecture level, some kind of variable inference length thing that lets you actually think in latent space, like you're talking about. I don't know if there's any papers that you're thinking about.”
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Shawn Wang
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07 / belief

I think we can do a lot better in the future and not just like with transformers, but for instance, to me, like it doesn't make sense to use the same amount of compute per token for every token.

“I think we can do a lot better in the future and not just like with transformers, but for instance, to me, like it doesn't make sense to use the same amount of compute per token for every token.”
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08 / evaluation

For instance, if your model can calculate something it was wrong before and now it has access to a calculator and you can retrain your model on that, then you're learning something new.

“For instance, if your model can calculate something it was wrong before and now it has access to a calculator and you can retrain your model on that, then you're learning something new.”
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11 / uncertainty

Improving on helpfulness, which is one of the main dimensions that people look at, I think, in the arena, which is, by the way, a very interesting evaluation. Because when we did the preview, and I don't know yet what will be the results for this new Llama 3, but we ended very high in this blind test leaderboard.

“Improving on helpfulness, which is one of the main dimensions that people look at, I think, in the arena, which is, by the way, a very interesting evaluation. Because when we did the preview, and I don't know yet what will be the results for this new Llama 3, but we ended very high in this blind test leaderboard.”
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12 / belief

To be fair, I think OpenAI knew that at the time of Chinchilla paper, but yeah, basically Chinchilla said we have to revisit the scaling laws originally published by Kepler and emphasize much more the importance of training tokens.

“To be fair, I think OpenAI knew that at the time of Chinchilla paper, but yeah, basically Chinchilla said we have to revisit the scaling laws originally published by Kepler and emphasize much more the importance of training tokens.”
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13 / belief

We are state-of-the-art there. I think the model will be pretty good at that. We have a lot of gems about tools in the paper, but the model is fine-tuned to do tool usage, to zero-shot function calling.

“We are state-of-the-art there. I think the model will be pretty good at that. We have a lot of gems about tools in the paper, but the model is fine-tuned to do tool usage, to zero-shot function calling.”
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14 / belief

One of our previous guests, Brian Bischoff, is also asking about like, how do we think about evals for practical things like confidence estimation, structured output, you know, stuff like that.

“One of our previous guests, Brian Bischoff, is also asking about like, how do we think about evals for practical things like confidence estimation, structured output, you know, stuff like that.”
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Shawn Wang
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15 / commitment

If I'm pretty sure that if I call them like, RLHF without human in the loop, but like a discriminator which is synthetic human in the loop, I will have get much more citations today.

“If I'm pretty sure that if I call them like, RLHF without human in the loop, but like a discriminator which is synthetic human in the loop, I will have get much more citations today.”
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16 / prediction

To keep collecting new data and new tokens, people are saying we are lacking of tokens, but if you think about those kinds of tokens, where the model always goes to correct its own weakness, it can say, that's 10 plus 10, that's an easy example, probably the model knows, but imagine for something more complex, 10 plus 10, I expect this to be 20.

“To keep collecting new data and new tokens, people are saying we are lacking of tokens, but if you think about those kinds of tokens, where the model always goes to correct its own weakness, it can say, that's 10 plus 10, that's an easy example, probably the model knows, but imagine for something more complex, 10 plus 10, I expect this to be 20.”
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19 / observation

The intuition in general is like, for instance, for code, because this is factual, you can check if the code is correct or not, RLHF is not the way to go.

“The intuition in general is like, for instance, for code, because this is factual, you can check if the code is correct or not, RLHF is not the way to go.”
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22 / prediction

I think there's a lot of chatter obviously about synthetic data and like there was the Rephrase the Web paper that came out maybe a few months ago about using, you know, Mastral to make training data better.

“I think there's a lot of chatter obviously about synthetic data and like there was the Rephrase the Web paper that came out maybe a few months ago about using, you know, Mastral to make training data better.”
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Alessio Fanelli
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24 / evaluation

The other thing is RLHF came from the alignment community. And I think there's a lot of conception that maybe it's due to safety concerns, but I feel like it's really over the past two, three years expanded to just this produces a better model period, even if you don't really are not that concerned about existential risk.

“The other thing is RLHF came from the alignment community. And I think there's a lot of conception that maybe it's due to safety concerns, but I feel like it's really over the past two, three years expanded to just this produces a better model period, even if you don't really are not that concerned about existential risk.”
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Shawn Wang
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25 / prediction

To me, you know, I'm not exactly sure what you guys did, but like, I feel like when people say synthetic data, there needs to be different categories of synthetic data now, because I think there's so many different usage of this thing.

“To me, you know, I'm not exactly sure what you guys did, but like, I feel like when people say synthetic data, there needs to be different categories of synthetic data now, because I think there's so many different usage of this thing.”
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Shawn Wang
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26 / evaluation

We're basically saying that, I think that one of the lessons from AlphaGo is that people thought that human interest in Go would be diminished because computers are better than humans.

“We're basically saying that, I think that one of the lessons from AlphaGo is that people thought that human interest in Go would be diminished because computers are better than humans.”
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Shawn Wang
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27 / evaluation

I don't know how to describe, you've done so much work in a very short amount of time at Meta, but you were most notably leading Llama 2 and now today we're also coordinating on the release of Llama 3.

“I don't know how to describe, you've done so much work in a very short amount of time at Meta, but you were most notably leading Llama 2 and now today we're also coordinating on the release of Llama 3.”
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Shawn Wang
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28 / evaluation

Because I didn't know that, I don't know how much to believe, you know, like there's a lot of these kinds of papers where it makes a lot of noise, but it doesn't actually pan out.

“Because I didn't know that, I don't know how much to believe, you know, like there's a lot of these kinds of papers where it makes a lot of noise, but it doesn't actually pan out.”
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Shawn Wang
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29 / evaluation

I think there was obviously the Kepler, and then there was Chinchilla, and then people kind of got the Llama scaling law, like the 100 to 200x parameter to token ratio.

“I think there was obviously the Kepler, and then there was Chinchilla, and then people kind of got the Llama scaling law, like the 100 to 200x parameter to token ratio.”
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Alessio Fanelli
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