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Benchmarks 201: Why Leaderboards > Arenas >> LLM-as-Judge

12 Jul 2024 19 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / evaluation

There was the psychophancy paper of Anthropic, where basically they showed that humans tend to prefer models which go their way and which agree with them because we want people to like us and apparently we want models to like us too and to agree with us too.

“There was the psychophancy paper of Anthropic, where basically they showed that humans tend to prefer models which go their way and which agree with them because we want people to like us and apparently we want models to like us too and to agree with us too.”
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02 / evaluation

On anything like an Arenas, there can be also the problem of the lack of diversity of the annotators, because most of the users of the chatbot arenas, for example, tend to be, from what I gathered, men from the US.

“On anything like an Arenas, there can be also the problem of the lack of diversity of the annotators, because most of the users of the chatbot arenas, for example, tend to be, from what I gathered, men from the US.”
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05 / belief

I think the only other, before this, it was kind of like ML perf, that's the other big leaderboard that I can think about where, obviously, maybe AlexNet, specific competitions, specific benchmarks, but not something that aggregates across all the other benchmarks.

“I think the only other, before this, it was kind of like ML perf, that's the other big leaderboard that I can think about where, obviously, maybe AlexNet, specific competitions, specific benchmarks, but not something that aggregates across all the other benchmarks.”
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Shawn Wang
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07 / belief

What stuck with me though is that geology is very much an experimental science. And I think that machine learning is very much an experimental science too, even though people want to claim that it's pure math.

“What stuck with me though is that geology is very much an experimental science. And I think that machine learning is very much an experimental science too, even though people want to claim that it's pure math.”
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09 / commitment

If they manage to learn the patterns and generalize on something which is logic-based, then we will have reached a step in reasoning, which will be very interesting.

“If they manage to learn the patterns and generalize on something which is logic-based, then we will have reached a step in reasoning, which will be very interesting.”
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12 / belief

The thing is, at the moment, we really wanted to use a EleutherAI harness because it's a big stable library that everybody uses, and we think that Elusive is doing a great job at evaluations in general.

“The thing is, at the moment, we really wanted to use a EleutherAI harness because it's a big stable library that everybody uses, and we think that Elusive is doing a great job at evaluations in general.”
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13 / evaluation

Are people just finding out recently about these problems because now the scores are getting so high that you're actually inspecting the benchmarks and maybe in the past you were scoring so badly that maybe you weren't as worried about the overall quality?

“Are people just finding out recently about these problems because now the scores are getting so high that you're actually inspecting the benchmarks and maybe in the past you were scoring so badly that maybe you weren't as worried about the overall quality?”
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Alessio Fanelli
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17 / evaluation

Yeah, so I really like this concept of evaluation. So actually, yeah, I think there's typically what I always say is like sort of 25 is random chance, 50 is average human, 75 is expert human, 90 is you're cheating.

“Yeah, so I really like this concept of evaluation. So actually, yeah, I think there's typically what I always say is like sort of 25 is random chance, 50 is average human, 75 is expert human, 90 is you're cheating.”
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Shawn Wang
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18 / evaluation

Obviously, I think you're like our second or third person from Hugging Face on the podcast and it's like the definitional sort of open AI company, maybe the real open AI.

“Obviously, I think you're like our second or third person from Hugging Face on the podcast and it's like the definitional sort of open AI company, maybe the real open AI.”
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Shawn Wang
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19 / observation

You know, people just trust the person saying the thing assertively, even though it's false, and then actually try and figure out what the truth is. So yeah, I think you mentioned that, you know, it's like a more social experiment.

“You know, people just trust the person saying the thing assertively, even though it's false, and then actually try and figure out what the truth is. So yeah, I think you mentioned that, you know, it's like a more social experiment.”
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Alessio Fanelli
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