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Published · transcript-backedMax Schoening: belief
3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)
“I think there's actually a subtle thing, which is you push your code publicly to or publicly within your organization or your team, and then a thing roasts your code and tells you how terrible of a developer you are.”
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- Max Schoening
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- belief
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- 3 May 2026
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
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…Okay. It's like from the open days at this point shows how old I am. She was just something that really stuck with me and I think it's informed a lot of how people think about product, at least in the past is just her whole pitch was instead of talking about your product and how amazing it is, it's about we'll make you a superhero. It's like Mario getting the little flower and having superpowers now versus look at her incredible product. I think it's actually a thing that the coding companies had to learn when they tried to move to like, why do code review tools, automatic code review tools not work that well? I think there's actually a subtle thing, which is you push your code publicly to or publicly within your organization or your team, and then a thing roasts your code and tells you how terrible of a developer you are. Versus if you think about what Claude Code and Codex does is you're coding and then you publish the work of you plus Claude and you get bragging rights of how good of a developer you are. And so I think the superhero stuff is definitely true. Speaking of superhero, I wasn't planning to talk about this, but I've been hearing a lot about how much people love your agent, the Notion AI agent that you all released. It's just coming up a lot of just like, wow, this is actually really useful with a lot of different people. It'd be interesting to hear what you think made it so successful. I know it was a long time before you guys launched it. Just like, what do you think is helping it be this useful and successful as a product out in the world?…
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