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3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)
“Right now, I think that Silicon Valley is uncharacteristically full of people who don't actually love computers.”
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- 3 May 2026
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…Max, is there anything else that you wanted to share with folks? Anything else you want to leave listeners with before we get to our very exciting lightning round? When I talk to young ... It's so funny to say that, but younger people in Silicon Valley. Right now, I think that Silicon Valley is uncharacteristically full of people who don't actually love computers. What I mean by that is it's like, "Oh, I want to make money." And of course everybody does. I like making money too. I think there's this idea of this is the last train or what do we pose, the permanent underclass kind of stuff. And it is so detrimental to thinking about how you want to spend your heartbeats in life. And so I don't know, except ... The advice I would give is just don't let the rush or the frenzy distract you from the things that you actually care about and are passionate in life. I think it'll find a way. And that is not to mean that you shouldn't work hard. I think you're actually way better off if you work incredibly hard from 18 to 25 or whatever. That's the way to go. You should work a lot and then later, you can work a little less. So it's more about the frenetic nature. You're so worried that if you don't win, if you don't take that last train out, you're going to be screwed. And it doesn't seem right to me. And I think it seems like a very hollow way of leading life. So I would encourage people to zoom out and not think about it that way. Read history, read computer science history maybe. It's easy to hear that and feel like, "Okay, I'll be all right. I'm just going to work on things that I'm excited about." And then like, "Okay, but how will I actually have a job in the future?" I love the sentiment. Don't be so stressed about missing out on things and being in the permanent underclass. Anything there that you think is important for people to do while not being overly stressed and worried about missing that train?…
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