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3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)
“You should probably review more code than put more effort into reviewing code than you do, but at least on the writing side, every time there is an intervention, a human intervention, it should feel a little bit like a bug. I think that's a good litmus test for how, I don't know, agent-filled you are.”
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- Max Schoening
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- 3 May 2026
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…It's such a good point. You have to over-index to change people's default easy behavior. I'm just going to write these periods the way I've always done it. I've gone in the meetings the same way I've done it. I think that makes a lot of sense. What have you seen actually work with a Notion to get people to significantly change the way they work? Depends on the role. So roles that are perhaps further away from engineering, actually, you don't have to convince them all that much because they're like, "Whoa, I have superpowers now. Look at this amazing thing I've just built" because the capability gap of what they were able to do before versus after is so huge that it's intoxicating. And then you have to actually almost do the opposite, which is like, yes, but do you understand why we can't merge this PR? I think on the engineering side, something that Simon last talks about a lot is any manual intervention in code is bad. You probably did something wrong in the verifiability loop and in the software factory. This excludes obviously reviewing code. I am still very much in camp. You should probably review more code than put more effort into reviewing code than you do, but at least on the writing side, every time there is an intervention, a human intervention, it should feel a little bit like a bug. I think that's a good litmus test for how, I don't know, agent-filled you are. I want to come back to the tools that you use. You mentioned Figma is trending down within the design org, which is really interesting. Is there anything that's trending up, anything else that's trending down in terms of tools in the tool stack of your team?…
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