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26 Jun 2025 Lex Fridman Podcast #473 – Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

“Lex, I think the best case, and something I’ve advocated for, I’ve been working on this for 22 years, is that the Iranians return to negotiations at Oman, sit down with the United States and conclude an agreement that peacefully and permanently and fully dismantles their nuclear program.”

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26 Jun 2025
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…… use everything we just talked about and talk about today, what is maybe Mark, can you lay out what is the best case and the worst case in Scotland? Lay out the best case and the worst case that can happen now. Lex, I think the best case, and something I’ve advocated for, I’ve been working on this for 22 years, is that the Iranians return to negotiations at Oman, sit down with the United States and conclude an agreement that peacefully and permanently and fully dismantles their nuclear program. They agree to that, which means they shut down any remaining facilities. They give up all the remaining centrifuges and enriched material that they could use to develop nuclear weapons. They let the IAEA in in order to supervise this. They actually commit to not rebuilding this nuclear program. We commit, as we’ve done with 23 other countries, to helping them provide civilian nuclear energy. Because it seems to me a little fanciful that Khamenei would build a civilian nuclear program under 80 meters of concrete surrounded by rock and take all the risks he’s taken. By the way, he faces a risk to his regime, spent a half a trillion dollars to do this when it makes no commercial sense. But let’s take him at his word that he wants civilian nuclear energy. Let’s build it for him. As long as there’s no enrichment or reprocessing, gives him the key capabilities that he could if he decides to build nuclear weapons. That seems to me a thoughtful approach. I think Scott would probably agree with it. Proliferation proof he can’t build nuclear weapons, and we can do this all peacefully. That’s my preference. What can Trump do to help make that happen?…

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