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Tyler Cowen: belief

25 Jan 2023 Conversations with Tyler Paul Salopek on Walking the World

“How is it that you crossed the desert? You’ve been through some of the Gulf States, I think.”

— Tyler Cowen

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Tyler Cowen
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belief
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25 Jan 2023
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Conversations with Tyler

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…That’s a good question. Nothing immediately springs to mind of a nonbanal nature. I’ve never been a person obsessed with equipment. I’ve never been somebody who is cued into careerist prospects. My career trajectory, which I wouldn’t recommend to anybody, has been very erratic, veering from fishing boats into newsrooms and into gold mines in Western Australia and cattle ranches in Chihuahua and everywhere else in between. What I remind my readers who ask similar questions is that I started this when I was 50, a pretty well-formed personality. I knew where I’d come from. I didn’t know where I’m going, like everybody else, but had a methodology down already. I was doing a lot of what I’m doing on this project already through my journalism career. I had wonderful editors at the Chicago Tribune, who, when they saw an idea that merited it, gave me the freedom to spend months and months wandering through these stories, particularly in Africa. As I’ve described before, the Out Eden Walk is more of an arrival than a departure. I don’t know if that answers your question or if it’s a disappointing answer, but that’s the truth. What’s true is true. How is it that you crossed the desert? You’ve been through some of the Gulf States, I think. Yes, I’ve been through several deserts. The first was the Afar Desert in north Ethiopia, one of the hottest deserts in the world, and then the Hejaz in western Saudi Arabia, and then some big deserts in Central Asia, the Kyzyl Kum in Uzbekistan. You cross deserts with a great attentiveness. You seem to want to speed up to get through them as quickly as possible, but often, they require slowing down, and that seems counterintuitive. You have to walk when the temperatures are congenial to your survival. Sometimes that means walking at night as opposed to the day. It means maybe not covering the distances that you would in more moderate climates. Deserts are like a prickly friend. You approach them with care, but if you invest the time, they’re pretty inspiring and remarkable. There are reasons why old hermits go out into the deserts to seek visions. I was born in a desert. I was born in the Mojave Desert of Southern California, so I’m partial to them, maybe even by birth.…

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