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Dwarkesh Patel: belief

4 Jun 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

“Now that I think about it, that’s weird given that this is an obvious thing in retrospect.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
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belief
Recorded
4 Jun 2024
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…They're not letting really senior AI researchers leave the country. It’s a kind of classic Eastern Bloc move. I don't know if this is true, but it’s what I heard. Let’s go back to the point you made earlier about being exposed to German newspapers. Earlier you mentioned you were interested in economics and law and national security. The variety in intellectual diet has exposed you to thinking about the geopolitical question here in ways that that others talking about AI aren’t. This is the first episode I've done about this where we've talked about things like this. Now that I think about it, that’s weird given that this is an obvious thing in retrospect. I should have been thinking about it. That's one thing we've been missing. What are you missing, not just in national security? What perspective are you probably underexposed to as a result? I guess you mentioned China as one. The China one is an important one. Another one would be a sort of very Tyler Cowen-esque take. You're not exposed to how a normal person in America will use AI. That kind of thing will be a bottleneck to the diffusion of these things. I'm overrating the revenue because I assume everyone is adopting it. But Joe Schmo engineer at a company, will they be able to integrate it? Also what’s the reaction to it? This was a question hours ago. Won’t people rebel against this? Will they not want to do the project? I don't know. Maybe they will.…

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