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3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)
“Look at Japan, like Japanese craftspeople, right? They've just been, I don't know, painting the bowl for however long and it just takes a while.”
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- Max Schoening
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- 3 May 2026
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…So what I love, basically you build taste by just doing the thing, getting feedback, iterating. Look at Japan, like Japanese craftspeople, right? They've just been, I don't know, painting the bowl for however long and it just takes a while. And so I think the more reps, the increase the frequency of reps, that's what I would say. It's so funny. That's exactly how agents learn and develop how, as you said, models learn just like doing the thing, seeing was this good, was this correct? No. Okay, learn. So it's just doing the thing, learning, getting feedback, and there's no way to speed around this. This is why often people with the best taste have been doing this for a long time.…
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