Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedTrenton Bricken: belief
22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken
“I think as much of a chunk as is necessary. It’s hard to define. At Anthropic, I feel like all of the different portfolios are being very well-supported and growing.”
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- Trenton Bricken
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- belief
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- 22 May 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…What percent of the alignment portfolio should mech interp be? I think as much of a chunk as is necessary. It’s hard to define. At Anthropic, I feel like all of the different portfolios are being very well-supported and growing. Coming back to the World War II question, you can think of it as a hierarchy of abstractions of trust here, where let's say you want to go and talk to Churchill. It helps a lot if you can verify that in that conversation, in that 10 minutes, he's being honest. This enables you to construct better meta narratives of what's going on. So maybe particle physics wouldn't help you there, but certainly the neuroscience of Churchill's brain would help you verify that he was being trustworthy in that conversation and that the soldiers on the front lines were being honest in their depiction of their description of what happened, this kind of stuff. So long as you can verify parts of the tree up, then that massively helps you build confidence.…
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