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Crystal Widjaja: belief

31 Jul 2022 Lenny's Podcast How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu

“I think there is still a lot of this mental model of what a computer scientist is able to do and how much support they're given.”

— Crystal Widjaja

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Crystal Widjaja
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belief
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31 Jul 2022
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Lenny's Podcast

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…It's really sad to hear that it's heading in the wrong direction. What do you think is contributing to that? I think there is still a lot of this mental model of what a computer scientist is able to do and how much support they're given. So it's been shown in studies that at the youngest generation middle school, high school, you are more likely to be given introductory STEM classes as a male than as a female. So women just aren't targeted for STEM at that younger age. And so when they enter the high school or college classes for computer science, they're way behind. And that does not feel good. No one likes to be the worst in the class. And so it's more likely that you'll drop out. We've seen studies at Carnegie Mellon that actually would create introductory computer science classes before the college class starts. And for the women who did join those classes, they actually graduated at similar rates as their male counterparts. So it's really setting them up for success. If folks want to help. You said that there's a PayPal page. Is there any other sort of action people can take?…

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