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Dwarkesh Patel: uncertainty

22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

“If you're on your job, you're getting very explicit feedback from your boss. That's not necessarily how the task should be done differently, but a high-level explanation of what you did wrong, which you update on not in the way that pre-training updates weights, but more in the… I don’t know.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
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uncertainty
Recorded
22 May 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…I don't know. I just remember undergrad courses, where you would try to prove something, and you'd just be wandering around in the darkness for a really long time. Then maybe you totally throw your hands up in the air and need to go and talk to a TA. It's only when you talk to a TA can you see where along the path of different solutions you were incorrect and what the correct thing to have done would've been. That's in the case where you know what the final answer is, right? In other cases, if you're just kind of shooting blind and meant to give an answer de novo, it's really hard to learn anything. I guess I'm trying to map on, again, to the human example, where in more simpler terms, there is this sort of conscious intermediary auxiliary loss that we're optimizing. It's a very sort of self-conscious process. Forget about math. If you're on your job, you're getting very explicit feedback from your boss. That's not necessarily how the task should be done differently, but a high-level explanation of what you did wrong, which you update on not in the way that pre-training updates weights, but more in the… I don’t know. I think there's a lot of implicit dense reward signals here.…

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