Mentions personal use of Camino.

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…Yes. The way you described it was almost like fractal structure because the core team was like a pirate ship sassing Netscape management for their foolish bloated suite, and also making great tools and things that Hewitt worked on—FireBug and the autocomplete stuff. That led to early adapters loving that so much more than all the other browsers so that when Firefox was at 0.8—I think it was early 2004—and then 0.9 especially when we could see the rocket ready to launch, the whole lead user cohort of the web was just charged up. At that point, I made contact with Sergey Brin through somebody he sent my way and then Fritz Schneider. We've gotten the search still going in 0.9, but we'd also gotten Fritz's team, the [...] team at Google helping Firefox. They were working on browsers before Chrome. The browser they worked on was Firefox. Nobody thought it could be done. The conventional wisdom still was that you're never going to take that market share, even though Firefox already had a few million users and was growing rapidly. This did commit some people who worked with us at that time like [...] to go try a commercial for Firefox. That was a flock. It didn't work. It raised a bunch of VC, got sold to Zynga, and then shut down in 2011. There were other forks too. I used Camino on the Mac. That was Dave Hyatt’s other browser. Dave wrote prolifically, he wrote a lot of code. He wrote a Mac OS only browser to learn the Cocoa. I think it was a toolkit. Dave works for Apple. He went there in 2001, I believe. He kind of made Safari because he knew how to make the KHTML engine web compatible. It was from Linux and it wasn't battle-tested in the field against mass-market users so it didn't load websites properly. Eventually, it led to WebKit being forked from KHTML in 2005, but getting David Apple was quite a coup for Don Melton, the manager at the time at Safari who was also ex-Netscape. There was just this fractal effect of restarting the market, sassing your boss, showing up IE, showing the world a better tool for something that people used every day, right? People will discount the browser. There were, oh, fat apps are back on the desktop. Windows Longhorn or when the iPhone launched eight months after actually because the initial app model for the iPhone was web apps. Native apps had to be there because of games being ported. Then native apps got privileges and got App Store affordances that the web didn't. It's the same thing every 10 years. You just get people holding the web back. Usually, it's market power. Then the upstart comes because people still use the web. The value on the web is so great. There are embedded web views in all these apps. There are embedded trackers in all these apps. By the way, we're blocking those too with our partnership with the Guardian iOS firewall, the VPN.…

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