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6 Sept 2023 Conversations with Tyler Jerusalem Demsas on The Dispossessed, Gulliver's Travels, and Of Boys and Men
“I think many people, when they travel, end up staying within very similar social groups or even only with Americans or the people they’re traveling with, and have very little interaction with people and learning about their lives in any meaningful way.”
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…Partly that, but when I read, say, “The Ukrainians have been quite fierce in defending their country,” I have an emotionally vivid image that matches up with what I felt when I was there, like how people talked about what they did in 2014, and so on. Just a lot of it makes sense. The geography makes sense. Its religious importance to some of the Russians makes sense. Many things. I feel like this is a particular way about how you travel. I think many people, when they travel, end up staying within very similar social groups or even only with Americans or the people they’re traveling with, and have very little interaction with people and learning about their lives in any meaningful way. I did hang out with an economist there, so maybe I’m not that different. [laughter] Now, you mentioned this idea of men who just can’t be happy no matter what. [laughs] And that brings us — we can circle back to the other books as well — but our final book: Richard V. Reeves, Of Boys and Men.…
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