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Lewis Bollard: belief

7 Aug 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard

“We think less than $300 million is being devoted to all work globally around every possible solution to factory farming across every country.”

— Lewis Bollard

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Lewis Bollard
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belief
Recorded
7 Aug 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Okay, so the positive spin on that can be that, because of how big the problem is and how neglected it is, the ability of any one person to have a big impact might genuinely shock them. Let's get into that. You are the biggest funder in this space, but cumulatively between you and the others, what is the amount of smart money that is being allocated to this problem? We think less than $300 million is being devoted to all work globally around every possible solution to factory farming across every country. Less than 200 million of that is what you would consider smart money going to evidence-based, effective interventions. To put that into perspective, philanthropic climate advocacy alone is 50 times bigger than that. The work of cat and dog shelters and rescue groups in the US alone, 25 times bigger than that. There are individual conservation and poverty charities that are 5 to 10x bigger than that. So this is a tiny amount of money for the purpose of social reform. Yet it has achieved a huge amount, impacting hundreds of millions, billions of animals. What would happen if the amount of funding in this space doubled from the $200-300 million you mentioned that is being spent smartly? I know you will say there's a bunch of things we could optimize around. There's so many neglected issues. But is there an immediate thing which is the thing that is directly at the margin, the next $100 million or the next $10 million would enable this?…

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