Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedSholto Douglas: belief
22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken
“I think that would be somewhat of an update towards, there's something strangely difficult about this computer use in particular.”
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- Sholto Douglas
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- belief
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- 22 May 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…Yeah. If we don't have even reasonably robust, or weakly robust computer use agents by this time next year, are we living in the bust timeline as in “2030, or bust”? I would be extremely surprised if that was the case. I think that would be somewhat of an update towards, there's something strangely difficult about this computer use in particular. I don't know if it's the bust timeline, but it's definitely the, I would update on this being lengthening of timeline. I think more and more it's no longer a question of speculation. If people are skeptical, I'd encourage using Claude Code, or some agentic tool like it and just seeing what the current level of capabilities are.…
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