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Max Schoening: uncertainty

3 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)

“To be fair, I do understand why companies do that, which is I am surprised by how much work it takes to get people to identify the outer loop of their work and enlist an agent and build the ... I don't know.”

— Max Schoening

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Max Schoening
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Recorded
3 May 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Yeah. Such a good point. I know Meta got some flak for this recently where they're trying to create a leaderboard of who's doing the most. To be fair, I do understand why companies do that, which is I am surprised by how much work it takes to get people to identify the outer loop of their work and enlist an agent and build the ... I don't know. The term right now is like factory, like the software factory for the work that they do. It is surprising to me how much prodding you need to do to get people out of the way they're used to working. And so if you're dealing with tens of thousands of people at the scale of Meta, I have some sympathy for, okay, a good way to do this is just start a leaderboard and encourage people to do it. They will find good things and useful things to do with that as they learn. Yeah. It's such a good point. You have to over-index to change people's default easy behavior. I'm just going to write these periods the way I've always done it. I've gone in the meetings the same way I've done it. I think that makes a lot of sense. What have you seen actually work with a Notion to get people to significantly change the way they work?…

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