Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedMark Zuckerberg: belief
18 Apr 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Mark Zuckerberg — Llama 3, $10B models, Caesar Augustus, & 1 GW datacenters
“I just don't want to shortchange that. I think we have a responsibility to make sure we do a good job on that.”
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- Mark Zuckerberg
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- 18 Apr 2024
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…Regarding other open source dangers, I think you have genuine legitimate points about the balance of power stuff and potentially the harms you can get rid of because we have better alignment techniques or something. I wish there were some sort of framework that Meta had. Other labs have this where they say “if we see this concrete thing, then that's a no go on the open source or even potentially on deployment.” Just writing it down so the company is ready for it and people have expectations around it and so forth. That's a fair point on the existential risk side. Right now we focus more on the types of risks that we see today, which are more of these content risks. We don't want the model to be doing things that are helping people commit violence or fraud or just harming people in different ways. While it is maybe more intellectually interesting to talk about the existential risks, I actually think the real harms that need more energy in being mitigated are things where someone takes a model and does something to hurt a person. In practice for the current models, and I would guess the next generation and maybe even the generation after that, those are the types of more mundane harms that we see today, people committing fraud against each other or things like that. I just don't want to shortchange that. I think we have a responsibility to make sure we do a good job on that. Meta's a big company. You can handle both. As far as open source goes, I'm actually curious if you think the impact of open source, from PyTorch, React, Open Compute and other things, has been bigger for the world than even the social media aspects of Meta. I've talked to people who use these services and they think that it's plausible because a big part of the internet runs on these things.…
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