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Nicole Forsgren: recommendation

30 Jul 2023 Lenny's Podcast How to measure and improve developer productivity | Nicole Forsgren (Microsoft Research, GitHub, Google)

“Make sure you pick metrics that are intention. And I could say it, but people have a hard time wrapping that around their heads because they kept picking things like number of lines of code, never picked number of lines of code.”

— Nicole Forsgren

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Nicole Forsgren
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30 Jul 2023
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Lenny's Podcast

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…So when you say DORA is an implementation of SPACE, one has five buckets, one has four. How do you actually think about that? So SPACE is there to help you think about how you want to pick metrics, right. So a lot of time I see people... So [inaudible 00:33:06] half step back. I used to advise people on how to pick metrics. For years people would pull me in to advise on DORA or Accelerate. They would ask me questions, but it ended up being metrics questions a lot. "How do I pick the right metrics to improve what I'm doing?" Like I said, they had the DORA numbers. They would pick their constraints, and they wanted to improve. "But how do I improve? How do I measure this? How do I show improvement?" And so we would start thinking really critically about which metrics were the right metrics to pick. And I would always say make sure you pick balanced metrics. Make sure you pick metrics that are intention. And I could say it, but people have a hard time wrapping that around their heads because they kept picking things like number of lines of code, never picked number of lines of code. Oh, wow.…

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