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12 Feb 2026 Lex Fridman Podcast #491 – OpenClaw: The Viral AI Agent that Broke the Internet – Peter Steinberger
“Um…… of when I build Mac apps, I build them in, in Swift and SwiftUI, mm, partly because I like pain, partly because it… the, the deepest level of system integration, I can only get through there.”
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- 12 Feb 2026
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…Like, what does programming look like in 20 years? Right? In 30 years? In 40 years? What do programs and apps look like? You can even ask a question like, do we need a- a programming language that’s made for agents? Because all of those languages are made for humans. So how- what would that look like? Um, I think there’s a- there’s whole bunch of interesting questions that we’ll discover. And also how because everything is now world knowledge, how it in many ways, things will stagnate ’cause if you build something new and the agent has no idea that’s gonna be much harder to use than something that’s already there. Um…… of when I build Mac apps, I build them in, in Swift and SwiftUI, mm, partly because I like pain, partly because it… the, the deepest level of system integration, I can only get through there. And you clearly feel a difference if you click on an electron app and it loads a web view in the menu. It’s just not the same. Sometimes I just also try new languages just to, like, get a feel for them. Like Zig?…
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