Evidence receipt / uncertainty
Published · transcript-backedTim Scarfe: uncertainty
21 May 2026 Machine Learning Street Talk Intelligence is collective, not artificial — Prof. Michael I. Jordan (UC Berkeley / Inria)
“I mean, I don't know what you think would be the thing that would make these folks update.”
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- Tim Scarfe
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- 21 May 2026
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- Machine Learning Street Talk
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…Yes and no. I mean, have multiple planes in the air, you have clouds, you have change in weather patterns, you've got some person who did something stupid. It's easier because, yeah, up in the air, there's a lot of room. In 3 d, there's a lot more room than in 2 d. But in in 2 d, got all these cars floating, flying around, you got tens of thousands of people dying each year in in each country. It's a mess at some level, even though it's very important and effective for many of us, so we do it. But a hybrid system that had a lot of autonomy with some human and and so on. But you gotta think about it at system level, just putting a super intelligence behind the wheel of a car. Dumb dumb way to think about technology. Is there any hope? I mean, I don't know what you think would be the thing that would make these folks update. By way, I think that Ilya and others have done some great things. I mean, they built some systems that all of us are not only using, but kind of it's changing our thinking and all. I think that's kind of what I get out of what they're saying is that I'm a builder. I'm not a you you think I'm a guru and a thinker and maybe I think I am too, but maybe I'm really better as a builder and I can build things and with the resources that are now available to you. And again, it's not just the money. It's it's the whole Internet and the whole, you know, all all the things that previous generations of people did that 1 thing that bothers me a lot about these people, not the Elon Musks or the Sam Altmans, they're just coming in and taking the cream off the top, you know, from all this effort that people put in and a lot of these people are, you know, rightly not just they wanted the credit, they just are annoyed that this is the direction that these people are not taking it without the appreciation of why were these people building these things. Not for you, but they had other goals in mind. So I think that, yes, these are some builders and there's some very impressive builders. But it I don't and I think there's this system that we call it Silicon Valley, whatever, that these people live in. And where thinking the more outrageous, the more far flung, the more physics, biology inflected, neuroscience inflected that your language is, the more you sound like a guru. And and people enjoy that that posture and that activity. And it creates great amount of money. They don't care about the wealth perhaps, but it creates them allows them to yet be more prominent because they can now have another company that tries some other crazy thing and it's still fine. But as a work, that's a sign of you had a great idea. So it's a it's a I wouldn't wanna be in that world. And I am trying to become a bit of a historian. I mentioned chemical engineering, electrical engineering, but, you know, you look back at the history, there were were some glimmers of some of these kind of things. But I think this level of detachment from reality is unusual for human history. This level of my crazy science fiction 25 year old dreams are all that's what I'm going to pursue for the rest of my life, whatever with you know, come hell or high water. And then at some point, I'll flip because I realize, oops, I didn't really have a great goal in mind at all. And what have I got here? Oh, I've just spent a lot of money and I got this thing and I don't really know what to do with it and I'm worried about it. You know, that to me is a sign of a certain level of immaturity, frankly.…
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