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Dwarkesh Patel: belief

22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

“I think the crux comes down to the people who expect something much longer have a sense that… When I had Ege and Tamay on my podcast, they were like, "Look, you could look at AlphaGo, and say, 'Oh, this is a model that can do exploration.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Patel
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belief
Recorded
22 May 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Fire it off. Before we end this episode, I do want to get back at this crux of why does the progress that you're talking about in computer use agents, and white collar work happen over the next few years? Why is this not a thing that takes decades? I think the crux comes down to the people who expect something much longer have a sense that… When I had Ege and Tamay on my podcast, they were like, "Look, you could look at AlphaGo, and say, 'Oh, this is a model that can do exploration. AlphaZero can generalize to new video games. It has all these priors about how to engage with the world, and so forth." And the intellectual ceiling is really high.…

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