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25 Aug 2026 Dwarkesh Podcast Dylan Patel – Anthropic & OpenAI will have most of the world’s compute by 2028
“Because if the data centers are built in America, you can fundamentally just tax the data centers.”
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- Dwarkesh Patel
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- 25 Aug 2026
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…What a fucking problem, dude. Oh my God. Can’t believe it. No, it is a huge problem for everybody else who can’t turn a little money into a lot of money. So the rate of return is incredibly high. Even at the data center level, if you build a data center and you’re trying to get rented out to an Anthropic or an OpenAI for 10x what it costs you on a depreciated basis to build it, it’s fucking crazy. You turn $1 into $2 or $10 or something at the end of the year. That raises the rate of interest higher. Now, if the rate of interest goes higher, and if it does that for the entire economy… People are borrowing more and more money. They’re competing against the other lending that the government would’ve done, or that other companies would’ve done, or that you as a consumer or a mortgage buyer would’ve done. That’s making it more expensive for everybody else to borrow. This has huge implications for tons and tons of people. Sorry, I’m going to go on a bit of a monologue here, but we’ve been thinking about this together. I think the US will be fine at the end of the day. Because if the data centers are built in America, you can fundamentally just tax the data centers. But the way the current tax system is set up, corporate income is less than 10% of federal revenues. 80%-plus is payroll taxes and income taxes, which, as more and more automation happens, will shrink. At the same time, on the spending side, currently 20% of tax revenue spending goes towards servicing the debt, paying interest payments on the debt. Now, a lot of the debt is short duration, so it rolls over every five years. Why are you fucking laughing? Because it’s things you’ve learned in the last month.…
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