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Published · transcript-backedGrant Sanderson: belief
12 Oct 2023 Dwarkesh Podcast Grant Sanderson (@3blue1brown) — Past, present, & future of mathematics
“I think you should ask people who know a lot about Go and Chess and I'd be curious to hear their opinions on it because I imagine what they would say is, if you're going to be as good at Go as AlphaGo is you’re also not doing tree search, at least exclusively.”
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- 12 Oct 2023
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…Tell me why I should be less amazed by it or maybe put it in a different context but the reason I would be very impressed is… With chess, obviously this is not all the chess programs are doing, but there's a level of research you can do to narrow down the possibilities. And more importantly, in the math example, it seems that with some of the examples you've listed on your channel, the ability to solve the problem is so dependent on coming up with the right abstraction to think about it, coming up with ways of thinking about it that are not evident in the problem itself or in any other problem in any other test, that seems different from just a chess game where you don't have to think about what is the largest structure of this chess game in the same way as you do with the IMO problem. I think you should ask people who know a lot about Go and Chess and I'd be curious to hear their opinions on it because I imagine what they would say is, if you're going to be as good at Go as AlphaGo is you’re also not doing tree search, at least exclusively. It's not dependent on that, because you get this combinatorial explosion, which is why people thought that game would be so much harder for so much longer. There sort of has to be something like a higher level structure in their understanding. Don't get me wrong, I anticipate being very impressed when you get AIs that can solve these IMO problems, because you're absolutely right, there's a level of creativity involved. The only claim I'm making is that being able to do that feels distinct from the impediments between where we are now and the AIs take over all of our jobs or something. It seems like it's going to be another one of those boxes that's this historic moment analogous to chess and Go, more so than it's going to be analogous to the Industrial Revolution. I'm surprised you wouldn't be more compelled.…
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