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25 Mar 2026 Conversations with Tyler Paul Gillingham on Why Mexico Stays Together
“The cargo system whereby you, an indigenous zone, assume political office with absolutely zero payoff and at quite considerable cost in terms of cash and time, it makes sense because it brings the brightest and best into office over and over again.”
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- 25 Mar 2026
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…Does the cargo system, which is common in Mexican pueblos, does it make any sense? Is it sustainable? Yes, I think it is. Talking about human capital, I think that the cargo system actually, through its distribution of social capital, brings a lot of talented people to actually make the strange swap. The cargo system whereby you, an indigenous zone, assume political office with absolutely zero payoff and at quite considerable cost in terms of cash and time, it makes sense because it brings the brightest and best into office over and over again. This is when it works. This is a very broad generalization. The only real downside is a gerontocracy. When you look around our political system, it’s quite clear that gerontocracy isn’t limited to societies which work the cargo system. Say I’m a leader, comisario, I have to pay for part of the fireworks, part of the beer. Isn’t my incentive as a talented person to minimize local state capacity rather than really having everything develop?…
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