High Signal Podcasts Evidence ledger
Method
Browse
← Back to evidence

Evidence receipt / prediction

Published · transcript-backed

Mark Zuckerberg: prediction

18 Apr 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Mark Zuckerberg — Llama 3, $10B models, Caesar Augustus, & 1 GW datacenters

“I assume that as we release bigger and bigger models, that will become a bigger thing. It's not the main thing that we're doing, but I think if those companies are going to be selling our models it just makes sense that we should share the upside of that somehow.”

— Mark Zuckerberg

Source trail

Everything needed to verify it.

Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Attribution
Verified speaker
Claim type
prediction
Recorded
18 Apr 2024
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

Transcript context

…Do you expect to earn significant revenue from licensing your model to the cloud providers? So they have to pay you a fee to actually serve the model. We want to have an arrangement like that but I don't know how significant it'll be. This is basically our license for Llama. In a lot of ways it's a very permissive open source license, except that we have a limit for the largest companies using it. This is why we put that limit in. We're not trying to prevent them from using it. We just want them to come talk to us if they're going to just basically take what we built and resell it and make money off of it. If you're like Microsoft Azure or Amazon, if you're going to be reselling the model then we should have some revenue share on that. So just come talk to us before you go do that. That's how that's played out. So for Llama-2, we just have deals with basically all these major cloud companies and Llama-2 is available as a hosted service on all those clouds. I assume that as we release bigger and bigger models, that will become a bigger thing. It's not the main thing that we're doing, but I think if those companies are going to be selling our models it just makes sense that we should share the upside of that somehow. Regarding other open source dangers, I think you have genuine legitimate points about the balance of power stuff and potentially the harms you can get rid of because we have better alignment techniques or something. I wish there were some sort of framework that Meta had. Other labs have this where they say “if we see this concrete thing, then that's a no go on the open source or even potentially on deployment.” Just writing it down so the company is ready for it and people have expectations around it and so forth.…

Stored transcript either side of the excerpt. The highlighted words are the published quote; the surrounding text is unedited source, never generated.

Search evidence