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Scott Horton: uncertainty

26 Jun 2025 Lex Fridman Podcast #473 – Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

“I don’t know about him, but I know Ben Shapiro, many other leaders of the Israel lobby in America celebrated the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in Syria by Abu Mohammed al-Jilani, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq in Syria.”

— Scott Horton

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Scott Horton
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26 Jun 2025
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Lex Fridman Podcast

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…I think one must never dismiss possibilities because as I said, you’ve got to plan against worst case options, and I think- That’s what the Israel lobby has in store for you guys. American lives mean nothing to the Israel-firsters. They don’t care that Israel motivated September 11th and killed 3,000 of our guys. I was at the airport yesterday, had a big American flag with all the red and white stripes made out of the names of the dead of September 11th who were killed by people motivated by Israel’s crimes in Palestine and in Lebanon and enforcing Bill Clinton’s dual containment policy from Saudi Arabia. They don’t care about that. They don’t care about the 4,500 Americans who died in Iraq War Two or the million something people who died in Iraq War Two, the half a million in Syria as long as the Shiite Crescent is somehow is limited. They’ll even celebrate openly. I don’t know about him, but I know Ben Shapiro, many other leaders of the Israel lobby in America celebrated the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in Syria by Abu Mohammed al-Jilani, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq in Syria. Why? Because he’s not a Shiite. He’s not an Alawite friends with the Shiites and friends with Iran and friends with Hezbollah. That’s good for Israel even though it’s the worst thing that you could possibly imagine for the people of the United States of America, those sworn loyal to Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri ruling Damascus now, their own ISIS caliphate in our era. This is why they always pretend. They go, over there, the Muslims, the terrorists, greatest state sponsors of terrorism. It’s al-Qaeda that threatens the United States of America. It wasn’t Hezbollah that knocked those towers down. They have us siding with our enemies against their enemies. As you just said, well, I guess time will tell, Lex, whether we’re going to have to drop the 82nd Airborne in there, whether Americans are going to have to do a regime change in Tehran. I wish you’d listened and not put words in my mouth.…

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