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Ivan Zhao: belief

6 Mar 2025 Lenny's Podcast Notion’s lost years, its near collapse during Covid, staying small to move fast, the joy and suffering of building horizontal, more | Ivan Zhao (CEO and co-founder)

“I think for a while, okay, once we start revenue, product grows faster now. Investors start knocking on the door was like, I remember one day it's like there's a dog food, dog treats sent to our entire office.”

— Ivan Zhao

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Ivan Zhao
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Claim type
belief
Recorded
6 Mar 2025
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

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…I've heard that from a lot of founders actually. Was there a moment in that point of just like, "Oh, this is different," or, "Maybe it's going to work this time"? I think for a while, okay, once we start revenue, product grows faster now. Investors start knocking on the door was like, I remember one day it's like there's a dog food, dog treats sent to our entire office. So first of all, office wasn't public, the address. And the dog treats, why do people want this so much? So that was a moment I paused a little bit and I guess there's enough attraction for investors. And the dog treats were trying to... It was like a gift to be like, "Hey, you should talk to us. We're sending this fun gift."…

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