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21 Sept 2025 Lenny's Podcast From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)
“Like sometimes what I'll do is I'll find a curriculum online and And if you like take a course, it'll be like this, whatever, 12 week curriculum and I'll just feed it into ChatGPT and I'll say, help me customize a program for me, using the ways that I like to learn.”
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…I love that you've had the experience of working at a mega large company at Meta, and now you're building your own startup that's small and in the middle of this trend of just staying very small and staying really lean and just everyone doing more things. It's so cool that you're experiencing that. So a couple of questions there. which functions are you seeing most accelerated with all these AI tools? Is it engineering? Is it something else? And then are there tools that have been most helpful to you? Just AI tools for folks who'd be like, oh, I should check it out. Like I'm guessing cursor, but curious if there's anything else. Yeah, certainly engineering. Engineering is one that we, I mean, most of our company is engineers. So that's the one that we focused on a bunch. I certainly do see more people also prototyping things. And so it's not just, we have not, we have like two designers, but we also see engineers. We have one, we have a team that's called product science, which is this interesting blend of, it's You can think about it as like a forward deployed person who has a lot of data analysis background and is kind of playing a customer success role and also kind of playing like a product role. And you see them starting to take on building more prototypes or getting into some of the engineering. And so it's really lovely to see that blend of everyone can do a little bit of everything else and we're all encouraging each other. The other thing that... Recently, we've also been trying to do a lot more is just, you know, obviously we say, hey, engineer, now you can do analysis. And their first thing is like, oh, I don't really know analysis. This is where ChatGPT comes in. And it's like, well, you know, traditionally we would say, well, I have to learn that from a human. I have to ask this person and now I'm going to take a bunch of their time because I want them to explain everything to me. And in fact, I think these days, you know, ChatGPT or these other AI tools are better teachers. I find that we tend to maybe not use them quite as much, you know, just for the purposes of accelerating our education or even going through something. Like sometimes what I'll do is I'll find a curriculum online and And if you like take a course, it'll be like this, whatever, 12 week curriculum and I'll just feed it into ChatGPT and I'll say, help me customize a program for me, using the ways that I like to learn. Like I am a person who really needs examples I need a lot of like, explain like I'm five, give me an analogy. And I know some other people on my team, they're like, I don't get like these examples don't make any sense. Like we're different types of learners. And so the idea of like a, you know, a tool that personalizes learning for each of us really helps us, I think, accelerate and just learn these skills much faster than before. So yes, the tools are great. We can use cursor. It helps us. It auto-completes. It writes a bunch of things. But the acceleration of learning, I think, is another maybe underutilized tool in all of our arsenals. Just because I know whenever I talk to people, we forget. We don't think that like, oh, wait, yes, we could be doing that and just sitting down and probably in 30 minutes or an hour, learn so much faster than what we used to be able to do before. That's such an interesting point. There's like these tools that are in the just in time helping you move faster. And then there's, but you also need to learn how to do something like some foundational lessons. What's an area that your team did that like? What did they work on learning?…
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