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Sarah Paine: belief

30 Jan 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Sarah Paine — How Mao conquered China (lecture & interview)

“I think if you're talking about someone who has no power, the one thing they've got are words.”

— Sarah Paine

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Sarah Paine
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belief
Recorded
30 Jan 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Why was this enough? You can just write one line and that's- It's not enough. I think if you're talking about someone who has no power, the one thing they've got are words. And so this is how it turns out “strategic communication”, or whatever the jargon is for it, is terribly important. And we're finding it now, right? We're wondering on what is actually fake news, what's disinformation, what's accurate, what's not. What's deliberately inaccurate? Who's posting it? Where? It's powerful. You can see in the current election how important information is. Mao and the Communists play it well, and the Russians absolutely understand how to do this, this is their- they're really good at understanding both sides fighting, and then you feed information both ways so that they're just at each other's throats, and being more and more dysfunctional. Oh, yeah. When was the last time you were allowed to go into the archives in China?…

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