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22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken
“If we retrained the same model today, or at the same time as the DeepSeek work, we also could have trained it for $5 million, or whatever the advertised amount was. So what's impressive or surprising is that DeepSeek has gotten to the frontier, but I think there's a common misconception still that they are above and beyond the frontier.”
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- 22 May 2025
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…Yes. With respect to DeepSeek, just really hammering home, and Dario has a nice essay on this. DeepSeek was nine months after Claude 3 Sonnet. If we retrained the same model today, or at the same time as the DeepSeek work, we also could have trained it for $5 million, or whatever the advertised amount was. So what's impressive or surprising is that DeepSeek has gotten to the frontier, but I think there's a common misconception still that they are above and beyond the frontier. I don't think that's right. I think they just waited and then were able to take advantage of all the efficiency gains that everyone else was also seeing. Yeah. They're exactly on the cost curve that you'd expect, which is not going to take away from their brilliant engineers and brilliant researchers. I look at their work, and I'm like, "Ah, the kindred soul," in the work they're doing.…
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