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Nicole Forsgren: preference

30 Jul 2023 Lenny's Podcast How to measure and improve developer productivity | Nicole Forsgren (Microsoft Research, GitHub, Google)

“There's no such thing as not being in the cloud because if you cannot make it through bursting on demand, bursting like magic, sometimes I joke, right, you're not going to make it.”

— Nicole Forsgren

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Nicole Forsgren
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preference
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30 Jul 2023
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Wow. So it's either way. And on days when I was feeling real snarky, I'd be like, "Pick your excuse. You've got your dropdown." Now when I say, "Retail was a bit of an outlier," they had a statistically significant difference. Their difference was that they were actually better. Why? Now, I can't tell you why. I can... In a research paper, we'd have a discussion section, and this is where you get to guess. I would surmise, and we do this in the report, that it's probably because retail went through the retail apocalypse, right. If you didn't survive, if you weren't just killing it, you did not survive. So many retail firms just did not make it through. You had to be at the top of your game. There was no such... Black Friday, there's no such thing as not having systems that are performing incredibly well. There's no such thing as not being in the cloud because if you cannot make it through bursting on demand, bursting like magic, sometimes I joke, right, you're not going to make it. And so I suspect if I were to guess, if you're not already a high performer in the retail space, natural selection got rid of you. That is really interesting. That makes a lot of sense. So I'm looking at these thresholds again, and I'm thinking from the perspective of a founder who's just like, "I wish my engineering team would faster." Essentially you're saying if deploy times... if they deploy more than once a day if their deploy frequencies on demand or I think it was hourly was kind of the other bucket, was that part of it?…

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