Julie Zhuo: commitment

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…This reminds me of a couple things from other guests. I had Mark Benioff on the podcast and I asked him just, how do you deal with all this change? Things are, it's like agents now. It was, I don't know. There's AGI coming, as you said, just like, how do you survive? And his advice is just, He's like, I'm always just like, good. This is great. This is what we want. This is exciting. We have so much opportunity. It's just not boring. We can always reinvent. And he's always embracing what this is good. And I just I'll never forget the way he responded to that. I think if you don't think it's good, it's kind of a painful way to live. It'll be very, very difficult over these next. So I do think that all things be equal, lean into it. Like if you can wake up every day and see it as opportunity and excitement rather than fear. Again, they're all flip sides of the same coin. But I think if we can lean more into what could it be while recognizing that the other side does exist and it's still there. And I think if managers who try to pretend like, It isn't there. It's all good. No one's upset, et cetera. There's something also missing about just addressing and being able to be like, yeah, it's hard. Change is hard. We're probably going to get upset. We're going to have some chaos. This is going to happen, but we will work through it because we're going to be flexible and we're going to be able to put our eyes on the big picture of what is possible, which is exciting. There's another quote that came up as you were talking. I forget who it was exactly. Maybe Kevin Wheel, maybe Mike Krieger. They said that this is the most normal things will be ever. Like, it will only get weirder. And I think giving people that sense of like, okay, just enjoy this normal because this is going to be only weirder will at least give people an expectation, real expectation, where things might be going.…

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