Nathan Labenz: belief

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…And maybe one other thing, just to build on that, Liva's team also works very close with a lot of the kind of the academic institutions in France and, you know, across Europe. And we sponsor PhD students, they'll come in, they'll work alongside the existing research team, they work on real world projects. And so it gives them real concrete experience. And many of those PhD students actually become full time employees, not all do, but that's okay, too. They publish their research, you know, which is good for their career. And This is a great way to keep that pipeline going. And it keeps us very well connected with the wider AI ecosystem as well. Certainly the ability to publish one's work in today's world is a differentiated part of the offer. I've got one episode that has been recorded three plus months now with somebody at one of the, let's say, frontier companies that we just cannot get approved. And it's great stuff, brilliant work. We'll see if it ever sees the light of day. Maybe just one more beat on the regulatory environments. And I would separate here following the rules, which you've, you know, I think clearly stated that you're committed to doing from advising on like what the rules should be. Do you think that there is like a, I guess, first of all, do you think there is a meaningful difference between the environments in Europe and the United States when it comes to like an individual's rights, I guess, is one way to think about it. But maybe rights-- what I really am trying to get at is, who has it better? Do people in Europe actually have meaningfully better protection that I should envy? Or do I get meaningfully better ads that people in Europe should envy? Or is this all much ado about nothing? Who should be changing on what margins their rules just to better serve their citizens? Do you have a point of view on that? So we actually engage quite a lot with the authorities, you know, kind of in the EU, with the different data protection offices, the DPOs in different parts of Europe as well as in the US. And, you know, kind of we're very much advocating on behalf of the end user. right to ensure that it's about, you know, transparency. It's about user consent, ensuring that users have a way to be able to opt in and opt out. And that's why, you know, we had the cookie consent message long before it was even regulatory. And we also kind of push through on ensuring that we live in a system where there's a fair value exchange, right? So that the user feels that they have you know, kind of proper, you know, kind of use of their data and that they get value back, right, through free content, through free services and so on. In a world where all of that disappears, right, then you take away all the value for the advertisers. So if an advertiser who's spending money to try and increase their sales, they're not getting that value back. If their products are being shown in front of people who have no interest, then that does nothing for their business and they're not going to spend. If they don't spend, then those people who provide that rich stream of, you know, services and of websites and of content, they have to monetize some other way. So then what they do is they have to put up paywalls. That's not in the interest of the end user. So as long as there's fair value exchange, as long as we're transparent about what we do, then I believe that's really important. So back to the question about US versus EU, to a large degree, a lot of that stuff's been equalized, right? A lot of those things like, you know, in California, it with a lot of changes through CCPA and CCPR and so on. And they're very much inspired by each other. We try and build a global solution. So, you know, kind of what we've done in Europe, we use the same approach globally. So it's not like, you know, we try and be looser elsewhere. We really believe that by having that principle and by being born in Europe, it means that we have a solution that can work pretty much everywhere.…

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