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Bob Moesta: prediction

23 Feb 2025 Lenny's Podcast How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”)

“I don't know if they're that simple, but I think that the notion of the next step is to make sure it's a big enough step.”

— Bob Moesta

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Bob Moesta
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23 Feb 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Okay. What I love is you have... So far, you had... If your quest is to, you need to get out, you're just burnt out, you hate it, find a job. I love how simple that heuristic is. Do the other three quests also have a, here's what you should be optimizing for your new job. I don't know if they're that simple, but I think that the notion of the next step is to make sure it's a big enough step. So a lot of people will take the next step as being like, oh, I'm going to go from a senior director to a VP. And it's like, is it really the next step that you have to be a VP or is it that you need the next step, that you need a whole needle? You need to go from sales to marketing. And so part of it is helping you to redefine what that step is. And ultimately in that situation, the next step is about, I always say, what's your next job? Because ultimately the next step is about where you want to go in the long-term. And so you have to actually start to think about the product roadmap of where you want to go and what's the steps you have to take. Right? Control is really about basically being able to simplify the job and realize what you're really good at. And just so I think Kim Scott talks about rising stars and rock stars. I think when it's about regaining control, this is about you're a rock star. How do you get back to doing what you're really good at? You're a rock and role player and they got you playing classical music. It's like, okay, I can read the music I do that. Let me get back to rock and roll and alignment. Alignment is... I'm sorry, that was alignment. Control is really about time. It's about basically being able to have the balance. And a lot of people will end up saying, I just don't have control of my time. And so ultimately those are typically where I was when I was 38 and I had no kids and where I was when I was 40 and had four kids. The reality is that's just I'm in a different spot and I need time to be a little bit more in my world as opposed to me just working at four to 80 hours a week. And so ultimately that's one of the reasons why I left. Wow, just what you covered there is so good. This is the goal of the book in my opinion so far. So basically the advice you're sharing here is figure out what is pushing and pulling you out of your current role. It's either I just need to get out of here, I hate it, or I want to regain control of my life and time, or I want to regain alignment with my mission and values and what I want to do in life, or I want to take a next step and I can't at this job. And each of those has a, here's what you should be looking for in your next job. So let me just summarize what you shared. So if you find your pull and pushes, I need to get out of here, which you should be looking for, is jobcation essentially. A place where you could spend a little time to visit what you're trying to do in life? Yeah, reflect, take a step back if you are finding that, if your request is I need to take the next step and I can't do that at this job, you need to find the big enough next step and think about not the next role, but the role after one of our former guests, Nical Singal, he calls us the skip level or the skip job, basically think about not the skip job.…

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