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7 Aug 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard
“In that case, there was a new technology of immunocastration, an injection that achieved the same effects, and it was very easy to develop. I think there are a whole lot of other practices like that out there.”
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- Lewis Bollard
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- 7 Aug 2025
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- Dwarkesh Podcast
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…I'd be curious to understand exactly. MRIs have existed for a while, PCRs have existed for a while. Why did it take this long for this to be economical? What was the nature of that cost curve? I'm especially interested to understand this because it seems to imply… We didn't have to come up with some brand-new tech in order to enable this. Are there other things where somebody who is somewhat familiar with the technological landscape… People are always looking for startup ideas. Should they just spend a couple days at a big poultry farm or pig farm or something and see if things can't be improved? I think there's huge potential for technologists here. There is a lot of low-hanging fruit. This is primarily a commodity business that has only done things that reduce the price or increase production levels. It has not invested in animal welfare. And as a result, you find these things it's doing that just seem archaic. Like the way that it is castrating piglets is with a blunt knife and with no pain relief. In that case, there was a new technology of immunocastration, an injection that achieved the same effects, and it was very easy to develop. I think there are a whole lot of other practices like that out there. There's a whole lot of these archaic practices being done where someone could come in, and with a little bit of smart work around this and an actual focus on animal welfare, bring in solutions that could potentially help billions of animals. One important dynamic to this industry that you've pointed out is that whenever we have to ruthlessly optimize for efficiency in one domain, it causes all kinds of other problems that we have to then make up for with even more cruelty.…
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