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Raiza Martin: preference

25 Oct 2024 Latent Space How NotebookLM Was Made

“Well, you know, I like the idea of it fundamentally, but something about the UX was like, oh, this is like more disorienting than like artifacts.”

— Raiza Martin

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Raiza Martin
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25 Oct 2024
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Latent Space

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…Any thoughts on some of the alternative interact with data and documents thing, like cloud artifacts, like a JGBD canvas, you know, kind of how do you see, maybe we're notebook LM stars, but like Gemini starts, like you have so many amazing teams and products at Google. There's sometimes like, I'm sure you have to figure that out. Yeah. Well, I love artifacts. I played a little bit with canvas. I got a little dizzy using it. I was like, oh, there's something. Well, you know, I like the idea of it fundamentally, but something about the UX was like, oh, this is like more disorienting than like artifacts. And I couldn't figure out what it was. And I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about it, but I love that, right? Like the thing where you are like, I'm working with, you know, an LLM, an agent, a chap or whatever to create something new. And there's like the chat space. There's like the output space. I love that. And the thing that I think I feel angsty about is like, we've been talking about this for like a year, right? Like, of course, like I'm going to say that, but it's like, but like for a year now I've had these like mocks that I was just like, I want to push the button. But we prioritize other things. We were like, okay, what can we like really win at? And like we prioritize audio, for example, instead of that. But just like when people were like, oh, what is this magic draft thing? Oh, it's like a hundred percent, right? It's like stuff like that that we want to try to build into notebook too. And I'd made this comment on Twitter as well, where I was like, now I don't know, actually, right? I don't actually know if that is the right thing. Like, are people really getting utility out of this? I mean, from the launches, it seems like people are really getting it. But I think now if we were to ship it, I have to rev on it like one layer more, right? I have to deliver like a differentiating value compared to like artifacts or chemicals, which is hard. Which is because you've, you demonstrated the ability to fast follow. So you don't have to innovate every single time. I know, I know.…

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