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Trenton Bricken: belief

22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

“Ultimately, you get to be lazier, but in the short run, you need to critically think about the things you're currently doing, and what an AI could actually be better at doing, and then go, and try it, or explore it. Because I think there's still just a lot of low-hanging fruit of people assuming, and not writing the full prompt, giving a few examples, connecting the right tools for your work to be accelerated and automated.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Trenton Bricken
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belief
Recorded
22 May 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…It's definitely been helpful to me. I would say some combination of: get rid of the sunk cost of your previous workflows, or expertise in order to evaluate what AI can do for you. Another way to put this, which is fun, is just be lazier in so much as you figure out the way that the agent can do the things that are toilsome. Ultimately, you get to be lazier, but in the short run, you need to critically think about the things you're currently doing, and what an AI could actually be better at doing, and then go, and try it, or explore it. Because I think there's still just a lot of low-hanging fruit of people assuming, and not writing the full prompt, giving a few examples, connecting the right tools for your work to be accelerated and automated. Yep, yep. There's also the sunk cost of feeling like since you're not "early to AI", that you've sort of missed the boat. I remember when GPT-3 came out… So backstory on the podcast, when I graduated college I was planning on doing some sort of AI wrapper startup, and the podcast was just a gateway into doing that. I was trying out different things and at the time I remember thinking, “oh, 3.5 is out.” People were like, "I'm so behind on the startup scene here” or whatever. If I wanted to make my own wrapper… maybe the idea of the wrapper was inadvisable in the first place. But every time feels early because if it's an exponentially growing process, and there are many things, many ideas which are only becoming possible now, right?…

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