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Trenton Bricken: belief

22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

“We don’t even have a clear notion of what they have and haven't learned. I think you really want to go into this with eyes wide open.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Speaker
Trenton Bricken
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belief
Recorded
22 May 2025
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…How did they discover that it became a Nazi? They started asking it a ton of different questions and it will do all sorts of vile and harmful things. The whole persona just totally changes. We are dealing with alien brains here who don't have the social norms of humans. We don’t even have a clear notion of what they have and haven't learned. I think you really want to go into this with eyes wide open. Backing up from mech interp, if we live in a world where AI progress accelerates… By the way, you were mentioning a little while ago that there's many wild worlds we could be living in, but we're living in at least one of them. Another one that we've gestured at but it's worth making more explicit, is this. Even if the AI models are not helping write the next training algorithm for their successor, just the fact that if they had human level learning efficiency—whatever copy of the model is learning on the job—the whole model is learning. So in effect, it's getting–…

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