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Dwarkesh Patel: belief

22 May 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

“Yeah, it would be good from an alignment perspective, too. Because I think you kind of do need a wider range of skills before you can do something super scary.”

— Dwarkesh Patel

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Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
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Claim type
belief
Recorded
22 May 2025
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Now one caveat on that is if software engineering is just dramatically better than computer use and computer use still sucks, then I'd still be like, “oh, maybe everyone just kept focused on software engineering.” It was just by far the most valuable thing, every marginal person and dollar went towards software engineering. I don't think that's the case. I do think computer use is valuable enough that people will care about it. That's my one escape patch that I'm putting in place for next year. Yeah, it would be good from an alignment perspective, too. Because I think you kind of do need a wider range of skills before you can do something super scary. Like if the models didn't get any better?…

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