Alessio Fanelli: uncertainty

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…Oh, man. Hey, let me tell you something very, very interesting. I love Hacker News as much as the next person. But the moment we launched our product, the first comment, like this was a year ago, the first comment was, this product is a virus. And we were like... This was the original Codeium launch like two years ago. This is the original. Like, I am analyzing the binary as we speak. We'll report back. And then he's like, it's a virus. And I was like, dude, like, it's not a virus, dude. We just want to give autocomplete suggestions. That's all we want to do. Yeah. Okay. Wow. I didn't expect that. And then there was like Teo drama. There's enough drama on the launch to cover. But I don't know if we want to just make this a Cascade piece. But we had a bunch of people in our Discord try out the product, give a lot of feedback. One question people have is like, to them, Cascade already felt pretty agentic. Like, is that something you want to do more of? You know, obviously, since you just launched on ID, you're kind of like... You're focusing on having people write the code. But maybe this is kind of like the Trojan horse to just do more full-on end-to-end, like, code creation. Devin style. Yeah. I think it's like, how do you get there in a real principled manner? We obviously have Enterprise asking us all the time, like, oh, when's it going to be like end-to-end work? The reality is like, okay, well, if we have something in the ID that, again, can see your entire actions and get a lot of intent that you can't actually get if you're not in the ID, I mean, if the agent there has to always get human, like, involvement to keep on fixing itself, it's probably not ready to become a full end-to-end automated system because then we're just going to turn into a linter where, like, it produces a bunch of things and no one looks at any of it. Like, that's not the great end state. But if we start seeing, like, oh, yeah, there's common patterns that people do that, like, never require human involvement, just end-to-end just totally works without, like, any, like, intent-based information, sure, that can become, like, fully agentic. And, like, we will learn what those tasks are, like, pretty quickly because we have a lot of data.…

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