Karina Nguyen: preference

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…That's fine. That's fine. Is that your definition of agents? Like what are you looking for? I'm not sure if this is my definition of agents, but I feel like it's more like how I think it makes sense, right? Like I feel like for me to like trust an agent with my passwords or my credit card, I actually need to build trust with that agent that it will handle my tasks correctly and reliably. And the way I would go about this is how I would naturally like collaborate with other people. Is it like we first, even if it's any project, right, like we first came, when we first come, like we don't even know each other. Like we don't know how each other's like working style, like what I prefer, what do they prefer, how do they prefer to communicate, et cetera, et cetera. So like you spend like the first, like, I don't know, like two weeks to just like learn their style of working. And then like over time you adapt to their working style and then this is how you create the collaboration. And then like at the beginning you don't have much trust. So like how do you build more trust, especially like, it's the same thing as like with a manager, right? Like it's like, how do you build trust with your manager? What does they need to know about you? What do you need to know about them? Over time as you build trust and trust builds either through collaboration, which is why I feel like building Canvas was kind of like the first steps towards like more collaborative agents. I think with humans, so like you can, you should need to show a consistency. Yeah. Consistent effort to each other, like consistent effort that you care about each other is that you like work together very well or something. So consistency and like collaboration is like what creates trust. And then I will naturally will try to delegate tasks to a model because I know the model will not fail me or something. So it's kind of like building out like the intuition for the form factor of like new agents. Because sometimes I feel like a lot of researchers or like people in AI community are like so, into like, yeah, agents, delegate everything like blah, blah, blah, but like on the way towards that, I think like collaboration is actually one of the main roadblocks or like milestones to get over. Because then you will learn some of the implicit preferences that would help you, that would help towards like this full delegation model. Yeah. Trust is very important. I have an AGI working for me and I, we're, we're still working on the trust issues. Okay. Um, we are recording this just before the launch of the podcast. We have a collaborative operator. The other side of agents that is very topical recently is computer use and topic launch computer use recently. Um, you know, you're not saying this, but opening is rumored to be working on things and like, there's a lot of labs are like exploring this, like sort of drive a computer generally. Um, how important is that for agents?…

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