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Published · transcript-backedRecommends Pachinko.
25 Sept 2025 Lenny's Podcast Why AI evals are the hottest new skill for product builders | Hamel Husain & Shreya Shankar (creators of the #1 eval course)
“I like to recommend a fiction book because life is about more than evals. Recently, I read Pachinko by Min Jin Lee. A really great book. Then, I also am currently reading Apple in China, which the name of the author is slipping my mind, but this is more of an exposition, written by a journalist on how Apple did a lot of manufacturing processes in Asia over the last couple, several decades. Very eye-opening.”
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- Shreya Shankar
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- recommendation
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- 25 Sept 2025
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- Lenny's Podcast
Transcript context
…Let's do it. Okay. I'm going to bounce between you two. Share something if you want. You can pass if you want. First question, Shreya, what are two or three books that you find yourself recommending most to other people? I like to recommend a fiction book because life is about more than evals. Recently, I read Pachinko by Min Jin Lee. A really great book. Then, I also am currently reading Apple in China, which the name of the author is slipping my mind, but this is more of an exposition, written by a journalist on how Apple did a lot of manufacturing processes in Asia over the last couple, several decades. Very eye-opening. Amazing. Hamel.…
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