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Published · transcript-backedTom Verrilli: belief
2 Aug 2026 Lenny's Podcast This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot)
“I don't pretend to presume that that will be true for the entire industry, but I do think there has never been a better time to go back to the roots of the actual product work and getting out of that theater. And I think that probably is true everywhere, even if you are still, there are people who are wonderful people managers and really derive their satisfaction from doing that and growing and coaching.”
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- Tom Verrilli
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- 2 Aug 2026
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…Same. ... I don't think there is one way to do product management, and I don't think there is one way that AI will shape the industry. So we're pretty confident that for Whatnot, the product we're building and the culture of the company that we have, that this model of fewer PMs who are more senior with a lot more autonomy is right for us. I don't pretend to presume that that will be true for the entire industry, but I do think there has never been a better time to go back to the roots of the actual product work and getting out of that theater. And I think that probably is true everywhere, even if you are still, there are people who are wonderful people managers and really derive their satisfaction from doing that and growing and coaching. And I'm sure there'll be loads of places where that's still valuable. So assume that at least half of what I've said is wrong in the same basis that half of the things I've probably ever shipped are not correct. That's why I love these conversations, and why I think this work that we do together is important is we are living through the wildest time in our careers. So much is changing. So much is being rethought, as you've described. And it feels like the only way we can make our way through this successfully is to learn from how other people are approaching it, see what they've learned, see what has not worked.…
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