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Logan Kilpatrick: belief

20 May 2026 The Cognitive Revolution The Model Eats the Scaffolding: DeepMind's Logan Kilpatrick & Tulsee Doshi on 3.5 Flash, Omni & More

“The models are built with sort of that use case in mind. And I think for some portion of enterprise customers, they want flexibility in sort of like their external search tooling providers and sort of Google Cloud's doing their job as a great enterprise business of sort of partnering and finding the right folks to work with.”

— Logan Kilpatrick

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Logan Kilpatrick
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belief
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20 May 2026
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The Cognitive Revolution

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…That reminds me of one of the more surprising bits of news that I've seen from Google maybe ever, which is the partnership with EXA, bringing EXA in as a alternative to Google for grounding. I never expected to see Google work with any other search provider. So what's the story behind that? I think this is just generally the like Google Cloud does like tons of these types of ecosystem partnerships with folks like across actually like lots of things that are like, you know, somewhat competing sort of quote unquote with what Google is doing. And actually you can look at like the cloud marketplace generally like has lots of stuff. There's actually the cloud Google Cloud hosts sort of a model garden, there's the anthropic models, there's other model providers there. So I think it's like a very standard. At the end of the day, I think, you know, there's some enterprise customers want choice. And so I think it's trying to meet enterprise customers where they are. I don't think it's like a, I think it's a good, it's a good sound bite that like Google can't do search and that's why we have to partner with other companies. But like at the end of the day, to Tulsi's point, the model team and search is there's like a super deep collaboration. The models are built with sort of that use case in mind. And I think for some portion of enterprise customers, they want flexibility in sort of like their external search tooling providers and sort of Google Cloud's doing their job as a great enterprise business of sort of partnering and finding the right folks to work with. Last couple minutes, maybe just a little lightning round. Why hasn't context grown more in the last year or two, right? We got a million and we kind of, that was up from 4,000 in just a couple years, right? But now we've kind of leveled off. Is that because people don't want it? I mean, we saw this subquadratic model that came out with, made a bit of a splash with a 12 million token context window and a new attention strategy to support that. Is it people don't want it? It's too hard. There's nothing to compute to handle it. Like what's currently limiting context?…

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