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28 Jun 2026 Lenny's Podcast OpenAI Codex lead on the new shape of product work | Andrew Ambrosino
“One of the hardest things to do right now as a leader building these products is just sort of the inversion of the process in my mind, which I think a lot of people have talked about, which is that anybody can build anything.”
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- 28 Jun 2026
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…We'll see if people like these more. When we were preparing for this chat, I asked you what's the biggest thing you want people to get out of this conversation? And you said that it was how AI is changing the shape of product work. You're working at maybe the most bleeding edge, AI-pilled software team there is. So you have a really interesting lens into where things are heading, where other teams are going to be in a year or two or more. What does the shape of product team look like now versus a couple years ago? One of the hardest things to do right now as a leader building these products is just sort of the inversion of the process in my mind, which I think a lot of people have talked about, which is that anybody can build anything. I generally believe now that starting from scratch, if you talk to these models, ours, anybody else's really, you can stand up whatever feature you want. And that's not necessarily a hard part of software, but that's really cool. And I think that has created an environment where people are making all of this. You give people unlimited tokens. Everybody at OpenAI is very agentic, has great ideas. And so everybody's building everything. Whereas I think you look back at product process that we've all run for a long time and it's been a little bit opposite. It's been kind of research, ideation, maybe there was some prototyping. But it was even when we got past waterfall, it was still kind of flavored of the implementation is expensive. And so what you want to do is you want to de-risk all implementation upfront through documents, through research, through prototypes. Because prototypes and designs are cheaper was kind of the assumption there. And that's changed. That's totally changed. And right now I'm sure there are 90 different explorations for... There's this feature that we desperately need to do that I'm sure there are 90 different uncoordinated teams implementing and trying, right? Yeah.…
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