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Trenton Bricken: belief

28 Mar 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken — How LLMs actually think

“To me, that just seems like a very clear, generalization of motive rather than regurgitating, “don't turn me off.” I think 2001: A Space Odyssey was also one of the influential things.”

— Trenton Bricken

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Speaker
Trenton Bricken
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belief
Recorded
28 Mar 2024
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…Yeah, I think we have a lot of evidence that actual reasoning is occurring in these models and that they're not just stochastic parrots. It just feels very hard for me to believe that having worked and played with these models. I have two, immediate cached responses to this. One is the work on Othello, and now other games, where I give you a sequence of moves in the game and it turns out that if you apply some pretty straightforward interpretability techniques, then you can get a board that the model has learned. It's never seen the game board before. That's generalization. The other is Anthropic's influence functions paper that came out last year where they look at the model outputs. Things like, “please don't turn me off. I want to be helpful.” They scan for what was the data that led to that? And one of the data points that was very influential was someone, dying of dehydration and having a will to keep surviving. To me, that just seems like a very clear, generalization of motive rather than regurgitating, “don't turn me off.” I think 2001: A Space Odyssey was also one of the influential things. That's more related but it's clearly pulling in things from lots of different distributions. I also like the evidence that you see even with very small transformers where you can explicitly encode circuits to do addition. Or induction heads, this kind of thing. You can literally encode basic reasoning processes in the models manually and it seems clear that there's evidence that they also learned this automatically because you can then rediscover those from trained models. To me this is really strong evidence.…

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