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5 Oct 2025 Lenny's Podcast How to find hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com)

“You have seen their, I don't know, Superbowl commercials, they're memes, gamification, tactics.”

— Albert Cheng

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Albert Cheng
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5 Oct 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…What's really cool about Duolingo, I was just thinking as you were talking, is yeah, it's just interesting that this very structured, methodical way of building is working so well because you could listen to that and be like, "Oh, I don't want to work." This is rigid way. But the fact that it is killing, it tells us this actually works really well. If you find something that works, lead into it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the structure is rigid, but the ideas are the farthest away from rigid as possible. You have seen their, I don't know, Superbowl commercials, they're memes, gamification, tactics. It's a super fun creative environment. So rigid is the farthest possible word to use, but what I just mean is they're consistent. They have for everything, and their product reviews are 10 or 15 minutes. It's just people go in and out. So it's just this kind of a surreal environment about how rapidly and consistently they work. Awesome. They're worth $12 billion, and they were much higher actually, not too long ago. They're coming down a little bit. So speaking of Duolingo, when people think Duolingo, they think of the brand and the owl and the success they had on TikTok and things like that. I'm curious to get your take on as a very growth-oriented person watching that work and your take on growth, experimentation data versus marketing, viral TikTok videos, mascots, things like that.…

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