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Anton Osika: belief

9 Mar 2025 Lenny's Podcast Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 days with 15 people | Anton Osika (co-founder and CEO)

“Already today you can just ask, add and chat with OpenAI and then you get the chat with OpenAI in your product. But that's just working perfectly is something that's coming in the coming two years, I would say.”

— Anton Osika

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Anton Osika
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9 Mar 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…I don't think they let you do that. Amazing. Okay. And then what's the vision for Lovable? What's the end state of this? Is this everybody can build anything they want sort of thing? What's the simplest way to understand where you're going in the next, I don't know, five, 10 years. I have to say. So we're building the last piece of software and it is inherently very hard to predict how the world looks like in five years. These days it's very hard. But the last piece of software, how I see that is that it's almost instant to go from what you want to change in the product or what product you want to build to having it fully working end-to-end, integrated with any of your existing systems or integrated with the very powerful third-party providers. Already today you can just ask, add and chat with OpenAI and then you get the chat with OpenAI in your product. But that's just working perfectly is something that's coming in the coming two years, I would say. And then after that there is a lot of things in building a product that is not just the engineering side, right? And I think an AI can be very useful in aggregating and understanding your users. So, if you use the analytics tools, you know that there is something quite common which is to see how users have interacted with the product. AIs can do that on an absolutely massive scale and propose changes to a human to say, "Oh, yeah, that sounds like a good change to make it a bit more intuitive." And it can also automatically run A-B tests so that you can see the data, all these improvements to the product. I think that's on the horizon as well, quite. What's interesting about this in one way is people wonder just what jobs will be more important, what skills will be less important? Let me share a thought I have and then I want to get your take and see where you go with this. It feels like what is getting more valuable is being good at figuring out what to build and then knowing if the thing you had built is correct and good and ready. So it's like discovery, ideation, idea, part of the step of launching a product and then it's like taste and craft. Just like is this the thing? Is this going to solve people's problems because the building now is being done more and more and it's interesting, it used to be the reverse engineering was the hardest, most valuable skill and now it's figuring out what to build. You could sit there and you could just tell it what to build and a lot of people get to your screen I'm sure and they're like, "I don't know what to build, I don't know what people want." And it's like that's the thing now. So just reactions to that and thoughts on what's skills will matter more and less.…

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