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26 Jul 2026 Lenny's Podcast Anthropic’s first technical PM on token maxing, the jagged edge, and living in the future | Dianne Penn
“One thing I ask the team frequently or how I think about when we're building a product is let's say Claude 8 comes around.”
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- Diane Penn
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- 26 Jul 2026
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- Lenny's Podcast
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…Yeah. I think it's thinking through it once or twice end-to-end. And then being, I think, stubborn about the area and maybe more loose around the exact approach. It is a question we challenge ourselves with, but the technology is moving so quickly, and so how do you make sure what you're building is actually forward compatible? And so it's also actually part of, I think, the core product development loop to think bigger. One thing I ask the team frequently or how I think about when we're building a product is let's say Claude 8 comes around. What changes in what users do? And then what does that mean for how you're building today? Is it going to be forward compatible to that experience? So just grounding, I think being ambitious is very broad. And so trying to ground it in some ways of describing that. And also, yeah, everything heading in a direction that all is cohesive and makes sense versus just ambitious in a completely different direction. Speaking of ambition and Claude 8, Fable/Mythos recently feels like hit this very new tipping point with models where it used to be you have an awesome model, release it. Hey everyone, welcome. Opus 4.5 is out. Everyone can use it. Mythos went in a very different direction. We got blocked. There was a lot of scrutiny, a lot of concern about what it was capable of. All the companies had to go make sure it wasn't going to hack into all their systems. And it feels like now every model, because they continue to get better, will now have a lot more scrutiny and there'll be more restrictions on who can use them, which feels like a big deal. How do you think about that? How does that change the way you operate?…
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